Israel’s military has claimed it has encircled Gaza City and divided the besieged coastal strip into two, as Gaza came under its third total communications outage since the start of the war.
“Today, there is north Gaza and south Gaza,” Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday, calling it a “significant stage” in Israel’s war against Hamas.
Israeli media reported that troops are expected to enter Gaza City within 48 hours. Strong explosions were seen in northern Gaza after nightfall.
But the “collapse in connectivity” across Gaza reported by internet access advocacy group NetBlocks.org and confirmed by the Palestinian telecom company Paltel made it even more complicated to convey details of the new stage of the military offensive.
It seems to me that they’re planning on squeezing the people from the north into the south, then closing off the north from any return. This is consistent with a plan of annexing and depopulating Gaza.
If so, this would be ethnic cleansing. This strategy appears to be genocide.
One issue the IDF has been working with for a while is the sheer amount of tunneling by Hamas. There is dense housing right on top of the tunnels. Destroying the tunnels can lead to the above buildings collapsing, as well as the damage caused by any explosives.
Will they annex and depopulate Gaza? I hope not. That’s just going to create another generation of fighters itching for revenge. Grievances outlast Hamas, and they will likely find a form. That said, maybe a single state solution will be the best form of government, as long as Palestinians, Jewish Israelis, and other groups are guaranteed equal rights. The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.
That said, maybe a single state solution will be the best form of government, as long as Palestinians, Jewish Israelis, and other groups are guaranteed equal rights. The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.
I guarantee, if they actually offered that nobody would complain. But they won’t, to “preserve Israel’s Jewish character”. See: Their rejection of Palestinian right of return.
Hell, if they were willing to do that Israel wouldn’t exist and we’d just have had a unified Palestine in 1948.
They want to keep Gaza and the West Bank under military rule until they can fully depopulate them and create Lebensraum.
you’re ignoring the fact that the Palestinian Arabs do not want a two state solution, and the majority of them want to genocide the Jews.
so where do you get this from exactly? because the PA has been working toward a two-state solution, while the Israeli government has been strengthening Hamas to undermine the PA’s attempt at getting a two-state solution passed, and yes, Netanyahu has said this openly, for years
The Palestinian’s under the PLO had a charter to completely reject any two state solution until 1994, and two state negotiations barely lasted a couple years before violence broke out again.
So no, the Palestinian Arabs do not, and have never wanted a two state solution.
yet the PLO was dissolved and replaces by the PA in accordance with the Camp David agreements, of course Israel conveniently forgot they existed, so for about 10 years the Palestinians tried to do the whole peaceful negotiation bit, and got jack shit, until a terror group backed by Bibi won the civil war in Gaza, putting an end to the negotiations entirely.
so I ask if the Palestinians when’t interested in a two-state solution, where is the PLO?
The PA also did not want a two state solution, they wanted a one state solution that they controlled.
So I won’t actually respond to this moron, but if anybody else wants to know why what they’re saying is completely wrong reply to me.
Because you’re a moron, I see.
Palestinians want to control the land, and most want to expel the Jews. That has been the case since the founding of Israel. Sorry you’re blind to that.
The onion did a bit about ten years ago on the Palestine-Israel conflict, reporting:
“Israeli and Palestine leaders have shown they see eye to eye in nearly every facet of the proposed solution, including such provisions as: seizing all territory, watching the opposition burn in righteous fire, and building a unified nation on the corpses of their enemy. Yet, they still haven’t come any closer to putting a stop to the conflict”
Kind of sums it up.
Uh… The PLO had a lot of national support for a hot minute there, until Netenyahu just up and shut down the Oslo accords. That’s what made terror as popular in Palestine as it is now; there’s simply no other means of resistance left to them.
You mean the PLO who’s second charter was:
“Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit”
They weren’t exactly fans of a two state solution either.
Uh… They then recognized Israel as part of the Oslo accords so… Yeah. There goes your excuse.
Well yeah they were talking about one-state secular democracy, not a two state solution
For most of the time Israel has existed the Palestinian stance has been a one state under Palestine without Jews. They didn’t want a secular democracy, they wanted to get rid of the Jews.
The fact you think Palestine didn’t have Jews is funny and really sad. Go read a book.
Of course it had Jews, long before it had Muslims. Doesn’t change that the majority of Palestinian Arabs want to get rid of the Jews.
And we’re talking about the area since the formation of Israel.
considering that Israel hasn’t been interested in the two-state solution and has been working hard to undermine it, of course it didn’t work
The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.
It’s because it’s half-assed, by Netanyahu. He won’t allow Palestine state to be formed, as well as will not return the West Bank and evict the illegal settlement, but instead either allow the settler to stay or carve that land for himself. He also want Palestine to demilitarised. A country without military is a sitting duck, so it’s understandable no one wanted that.
Netanyahu basically attempts to destroy the 2 state solution by putting more Israelis to the west bank area. That’s quite terrible, I have to admit.
he also aided Hamas to undermine the two-state solution
May I ask about how he helped out Hamas? I don’t know about that.
What I know is that there is illegal occupation in East Jerusalem and Bibi also actively supports life of Jews behind in wall. This is illegal under the international law and also Israeli judiciary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements?wprov=sfti1#Status_of_the_territories).
So I could go on about how and why (funding, assistance in getting rid of less radical secular opposition, the purposeful not targeting in military campaigns etc…), but I figure I could just let some of the oldest newspapers in the region do it for me, after all why reinvent the wheel.
No, he doesn’t want Palestine. More moderate/leftist Israelis want a demilitarized Palestine. The Israeli far right just wants them off the map for their lebensraum.
He doesn’t want the state Palestine to exists and the people who identified as Palestinian. If he doesn’t want Palestine(the land) he will retreat from West Bank. Instead, he continue to occupy it and illegally build more settler there.
He doesn’t want a Palestine, he wants it to be greater Israel or whatever.
I agree with this 100%. I think it needs to get said more, and more: Palestinians deserve full civil rights including the freedom of movement throughout a single state covering all of historic Palestine.
What do you mean “all of historic Palestine”? Palestine was never a state. Do you mean that Palestine should replace whole Israel? Where would the Izraelis go then?
This wasn’t meant to be a political statement. Historic Palestine is a term for what is technically known as Mandate Palestine (or according to Wikipedia, Mandatory Palestine). This was the region defined as Palestine by the League of Nations between 1920 and is a convenient way to refer to all the area that is contested by Israel and Palestinians.
I’m sorry if it was unclear. I meant that Israel should incorporate the occupied territories formally and legally, and afford the residents full citizenship in the combined state so that both Israelis and Palestinians can live an work anywhere in the combined region. That’s what the "One-State Solution"means.
The region was called philistia since the 10th century bc. Why are we so focused on the modern nation state, a concept that didn’t really exist until the last couple hundred years?
That land has always been referred to by their population. Philistia, land of the philistines. Then the name morphed into Palestine. It’s always been Palestine.
I just want to point to my response to @samokosik@lemmynsfw.com . This wasn’t meant to be a political statement, I was just using a formal term to refer to the entire region that includes Israel and the occupied territories.
It has never been Palestine lol.
Even before your Philistia, there were Jews occupying the land if you want to make judgement based on who was there first. Then the land became Roman and jews were expelled. Later it became part of the Ottoman Empire and the after WW1, Britain got it. Throughout the history there was never a state called “Palestine”.
There could have been one if they had accepted a compromise proposed by UN in 1948. They didn’t, so the result was no state for Palestine :/
I just explained to you how it was known as that for centuries. Both the philistines and canaanites (of which the Jewish kingdoms grew from) lived in the area as part of the population.
They lived there at the same time, Jews weren’t first. You’re arrogant and wrong, the worst combo.
And you’re still hung up on nation states, the fact that ottomans conquered and ruled the Palestinians/Philistines doesn’t mean those people haven’t lived there constantly for centuries. The idea of a nation state didn’t exist until the 18th century. It has no bearing on whether a population should have self determination.
You also forget that in WW1 the British promised the Palestinians the entire territory for their assistance. So if frame it as Palestinians opposed the Brit’s changing the deal to move a bunch of Europeans into the territory they were promised. The west threw their resources secured through global empire to force this colony on the locals. Framing it as not resisting western colonization is deceptive and obfuscates the motives leadership expressed.
Yes, they lived there at the same time, still Jews came in 13th century BC whilst Philistines not sooner than 12th. In addition, Phillistines were a tribe from an area close to Greece/Macedonia.
However, I agree that there were promises both to Jews and Palestinians. Hence why a compromise had to be made. Israel accepted, Palestine did not (several times).
You split Gaza in half
You get same military, but now two Gaza
Stick wins everytime
so that’s multiple hospitals and refugee camps now essentially collected into a concentration camp.
Cutting through gaza like tanks through tiananmen .
How many civilians did the Tiananmen Square rebels rape and murder?
Palestinian civilians are not Hamas.
Hamas is a spreading cancer and palestinian civilians are the (still) healthy cells. Do we have means of removing the cancer without damaging the healthy cells? It doesn’t seem like we do. But the solution cannot be to just let the cancer be, almost everything is a better choice than that.
ok, so you wholeheartedly support the Nazis idea of the “volkskörper”.
it’s somewhat ironic that Israel has convinced the world that it represents all Jews, but has also taken up the rest of the Nazi bullshit and people repeat it continuously (because the idea that a nation represents all people of X group is already blood and soil logic), I guess this is what happens when you have Nationalists and “X power party” in charge.
ok, so you wholeheartedly support the Nazis idea of the “volkskörper”.
Well no. If I had called palestinians the cancer of Israel, then my comment would’ve been disgusting bigotry at the level of the original nazis, but I was referring to only Hamas as being cancerous, and, as you might notice, I referred to palestinians as the healthy cells.
It’s not a great metaphor anyway, so perhaps I shouldn’t defend it this much.
no, you justified Palestinians needing to be killed because the caner of Hamas is growing in them
I worry that you think cancer is cured by killing its host.
We do, actually! You should read up on immunotherapy. It’s not for everyone, but it works in many cases.
The metaphor holds up, too. With sufficient time and effort, you can make things work.
I won’t deny existence of rapes in war but here, this is a lightning strike attack and according to the amount of casualties (maybe inflated, knowing Israel), I don’t see how hamas doing that would have time to rape anyone, capture and transport hostages without getting attacked by army or police which is everywhere.
Bro you are going it off of your way to call Israel numbers inflated while at the same time trusting Hamas numbers lol. Also going out of your way to justify terrorists taking and murdering people as if those weren’t bad enough haha
if they lied on the beheaded babies, you know… I don’t have to trust Hamas, I don’t even know where I would listen to them. Regarding Israel, it’s pretty obvious they are freewheeling and they are saturating mainstream media with BS without real challenge.
anyway…
Earlier on Sunday, Israeli warplanes struck two central Gaza refugee camps, killing at least 53 people and wounding dozens, health officials said.
Israel said it would press on with its offensive against Hamas, despite US appeals for even brief pauses to get aid to desperate civilians.
The Palestinian health ministry said more than 9,700 Palestinians have been killed in the territory in nearly a month of war, more than 4,000 of them children. That toll likely will rise as Israeli troops advance into dense, urban neighbourhoods.
Air strikes hit the Maghazi refugee camp overnight, killing at least 40 people and wounding 34 others, the health ministry said.
The camp is in the zone where Israel’s military had urged Palestinian civilians to seek refuge.
Every day more of this. Israel clearly doesn’t care about civilians and children and will kill anyone it feels like killing.
There’s a survivor account translated by Electronic Intifada(mediabiasfactcheck rated them left bias, pro-palestine, mostly factual but not high due to no transparency on their funding, pinch of salt applies) saying IDF, in their effort to kill Hamas combatant, killed israeli held hostaged by Hamas in Be’eri in heavy crossfire, and also shelled the home to eliminate any hiding combatant.
There’s also an interview with IDF soldier on the front line that day, as reported by Gray Zone(extreme left, mixed fact, highly opinionated, kilogram of salt applies. They do quote their source though), saying they just shoot at suspected Hamas vehicle to prevent escape, knowing there’s a chance Israeli hostages is in it.
Their action in a month checks out with the account on the first few day of battle in Israel, as they bomb the tunnel, disregard the safety of the hostage they’re trying so hard to “rescue”, that the hostage might get crushed from the collapsing tunnel. They don’t care about collateral damage at all, and i fear the hostages that got killed from the ground assault will be pinned on Hamas.
It seems Hamas way overestimated how much compassion Israelis would have for hostages, journalists, or innocent children…
It’s a serious miscalculation. IDF has been show not giving a fuck about collateral damage. They shot children to disperse riot. They snipe children and tell the world the kids are armed. They murder journalist then blame it on Hamas.
According to the survivor account, Hamas purposefully inform the police and wait for them to come, instead of retreat with the hostage. They really thought they can talk it off with the police and IDF but they really don’t know their enemy at all.
Let’s not call it “collateral damage” when it’s deliberately shooting or bombing children or other civilians. The term “collateral damage” was the US military’s euphemism for supposedly accidental killing of civilians. The IDF doesn’t even care to make it look accidental.
You’re right, it’s murder.
Very roughly, of the 778,000 residents of Gaza about 10,000 have died and almost half have been forced to leave their homes. Even if the statement were true, it would not be worth it.
It’s almost like the government calling them subhuman beasts isn’t concerned about genociding civilians over a land grab.
That’s the population of urban areas only. The population of Gaza Strip is a little over 2 million. Obviously that doesn’t make the casualties any better, but I always like to work with accurate facts.
the 778,000 residents of Gaza about 10,000 have died
(According to Hamas)
At least the Gaza Health Ministry is counting, while Israel just seems to fire and forget.
Gaza Health Ministry
(Hamas)
I really hope you’re just too stupid to realize this as genocide denial instead of malicious.
They released a named list back when it was 7000. Like with full names and national IDs. They’re telling the truth on this one.
I’m sure.
Yes, you should be.
If I was some terrorist dickhead working for Hamas I’d just collate every death which happened from any cause within Gaza and report them as conflict related. Killed by Hamas, killed by Israel, slipped and fell, dead of cancer? Whatever. Just collect all of them.
I don’t know how they’re fudging the numbers, but it would beggar belief that they aren’t. They control the health ministry, they’ve got all the tools they need to inflate the total as much as they want to.
You sound a lot like the covid death toll deniers with that “logic”
Bro the US government is far more credible than Hamas, and anyone who has a legitimate grasp on reality would agree
Wow that’s a lot of people dying of natural causes everyday in Gaza.
There’s a lot of people in Gaza, so, yeah
About 150,000 people die every day world wide out of 8.1 billion. If you assume the same ratio for gaza’s 2 million then that would result is approximately 37 deaths per day.
Take into account approximately 30 days of conflict at 37 natural deaths per day that would be around 1100 deaths.
So one can assume that even if they blamed every death of those 10,000 on Israel, at least 8900 probably were.
If I was some terrorist dickhead working for Hamas I’d just collate every death which happened from any cause within Gaza and report them as conflict related.
Then we’d have seen bigger numbers. Gaza has 2.2 million people, and they’re currently starving and drinking brackish water.
With no water and electricity for a couple days, that seem like a low number to me.
Zionists deserve all the retaliation they get for this genocide.
meh??? I ain’t changing my xitter/fb/insta pfp to palestinian one.
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