Buy Zigbee in cases where there isn’t a Matter alternative. It’s not quite as interoperable as Matter but it’s fully offline once setup (and some newer coordinators have dual zigbee/Matter support). Avoid cloud connected WiFi devices like the plague.
Or, you know, just don’t buy smart devices. They are pointless wastes of money and don’t solve any problem but the imaginary problem their marketing made you think actually exists.
But they do create a whole lot of actual problems by having them in your home, and on your network.
Which is better than just supporting something that google, amazon, and apple have developed. Which makes it inherently suspect and suspicious, and anyone with a brain should have an intense primal need to avoid anything being pushed by those 3 individually… much less working together as one.
Being upvoted doesnt make someone right, and being downvoted doesnt make someone wrong. Its just empty, addiction-driven gamification of human interaction that is completely devoid of any legitimate or good or purpose.
There are problems they can actually solve, mostly heating and power related:
In summer, lower the blinds on south facing windows when the sun comes up to reduce solar heating, then raise them in the evening to increase air flow against the window panes. This reduces the need for air conditioning, resulting in a surprising amount of power saved.
On a home solar system, start the washing machine, dishwasher, and dryer that were loaded in the morning when the batteries reach 80% charge. Allow them to run off the inverter rather than taking the charge/discharge losses involved in battery storage, reducing the size of both battery bank and solar array needed.
Lower the freezer temperature when there is a power surplus, and raise it back to normal when not so that cooling energy is used when it’s cheapest/most available
If you don’t work from home, you can’t do the second two yourself. They require automation. Reducing baseload requirements and battery storage needs can make a transition to renewable power much cheaper and more efficient. With mass adoption, that extends to power grids and not just off-grid homes, and has significant effects on things like the amount of lithium that needs to be mined or the number of coal and LNG power plants that are needed for times that are off-peak for wind and solar generation.
On a home solar system, start the washing machine, dishwasher, and dryer that were loaded in the morning when the batteries reach 80% charge. Allow them to run off the inverter rather than taking the charge/discharge losses involved in battery storage, reducing the size of both battery bank and solar array needed.
Lower the freezer temperature when there is a power surplus, and raise it back to normal when not so that cooling energy is used when it’s cheapest/most available
Literally a waste of money and power to buy a thing thats even capable of playing that stupid game with temperature digitally. Set your freezer to -18c/0f and leave it the fuck alone. If you want to save power and be more efficient, get a chest freezer, and make a diagram of whats where inside it so you can grab it easily without fucking around. Anything else is just a completely made up solution in desperate search for a made up problem to justify it, by and for people who have far to much money and far to little common sense.
Your ridiculous stretching to try to justify smart bullshit is doing nothing but showing how useless and how much of a waste of time, energy, and effort it is.
literally no one will ever have that problem, but lets humor your ridiculous made up bullshit
Wow, your username really fits.
Actually, it’s a description of some of the issues I’m dealing with right now. And yes, we’re DIYing it with RJ45 wired switching outlets on a separate vlan and subnet. And yes, we use a chest freezer.
And yes, there are more automatic and passive ways to do some of these things, like planting deciduous trees to shade your south wall in summer but not winter. Not everyone owns their home and land though.
Matter. Get it adopted. Buy and implement only Matter devices in the future.
Needs a year or two, but if we can get that tech widespread, this cloud stuff will be less essential.
That’s interesting.
Here is a better link for it that isn’t pushing Google products. Not implying you are doing that, just wanted to provide a non Google link is all.
https://csa-iot.org/all-solutions/matter/
Buy Zigbee in cases where there isn’t a Matter alternative. It’s not quite as interoperable as Matter but it’s fully offline once setup (and some newer coordinators have dual zigbee/Matter support). Avoid cloud connected WiFi devices like the plague.
I love my single TRÅDFRI Zigbee lightbulb.
Not sure why I’d want some private cloud system when HA can work on its own. I’d go zigbee, which doesn’t require any cloud.
Matter works with HA and HA works with matter, keeping it local and easier (is the hope).
Edit to add: it’s not really a private cloud. It’s a mesh/WiFi network that transfers data based on the item type.
Eh? Matter is an open source standard, not proprietary in the slightest.
Well the link went straight to a Google page. Many people here is trying to avoid Google services/products, so it made me suspicious.
Or, you know, just don’t buy smart devices. They are pointless wastes of money and don’t solve any problem but the imaginary problem their marketing made you think actually exists.
But they do create a whole lot of actual problems by having them in your home, and on your network.
Which is better than just supporting something that google, amazon, and apple have developed. Which makes it inherently suspect and suspicious, and anyone with a brain should have an intense primal need to avoid anything being pushed by those 3 individually… much less working together as one.
Matter, if implemented correctly, would save them all money and allow the privacy conscious to drop the cloud.
They are losing money on their voice assistants, so they want out of the business of being the voice part of the central hub.
They’ll find ways to monetize the users who are less privacy concerned, but that’s not me and I think it’s not a lot of people who are here.
Ediit: I didn’t downvote you. I’m here for discourse and have found down votes don’t help that.
I don’t care if you did down or up vote me.
Being upvoted doesnt make someone right, and being downvoted doesnt make someone wrong. Its just empty, addiction-driven gamification of human interaction that is completely devoid of any legitimate or good or purpose.
Or, you know, just maybe, it’s another form of communication, and does have some use.
Username checks out…
Never heard that one before, So original!
There are problems they can actually solve, mostly heating and power related:
In summer, lower the blinds on south facing windows when the sun comes up to reduce solar heating, then raise them in the evening to increase air flow against the window panes. This reduces the need for air conditioning, resulting in a surprising amount of power saved.
On a home solar system, start the washing machine, dishwasher, and dryer that were loaded in the morning when the batteries reach 80% charge. Allow them to run off the inverter rather than taking the charge/discharge losses involved in battery storage, reducing the size of both battery bank and solar array needed.
Lower the freezer temperature when there is a power surplus, and raise it back to normal when not so that cooling energy is used when it’s cheapest/most available
If you don’t work from home, you can’t do the second two yourself. They require automation. Reducing baseload requirements and battery storage needs can make a transition to renewable power much cheaper and more efficient. With mass adoption, that extends to power grids and not just off-grid homes, and has significant effects on things like the amount of lithium that needs to be mined or the number of coal and LNG power plants that are needed for times that are off-peak for wind and solar generation.
If thats such a world ending colossal issue for you (hint. its not. literally no one will ever have that problem, but lets humor your ridiculous made up bullshit), then https://www.amazon.com/TiFFCOFiO-Mechanical-Electrical-Outlets-Repeating/dp/B0BCKDTS1G. Cheaper, more reliable, and doesnt open your asshole to the internet for fucking.
Literally a waste of money and power to buy a thing thats even capable of playing that stupid game with temperature digitally. Set your freezer to -18c/0f and leave it the fuck alone. If you want to save power and be more efficient, get a chest freezer, and make a diagram of whats where inside it so you can grab it easily without fucking around. Anything else is just a completely made up solution in desperate search for a made up problem to justify it, by and for people who have far to much money and far to little common sense.
Your ridiculous stretching to try to justify smart bullshit is doing nothing but showing how useless and how much of a waste of time, energy, and effort it is.
Wow, your username really fits.
Actually, it’s a description of some of the issues I’m dealing with right now. And yes, we’re DIYing it with RJ45 wired switching outlets on a separate vlan and subnet. And yes, we use a chest freezer.
And yes, there are more automatic and passive ways to do some of these things, like planting deciduous trees to shade your south wall in summer but not winter. Not everyone owns their home and land though.