Online travel agent allows customers to filter out Boeing 737 Max planes::Kayak customers can exclude Max 9 aircraft after cabin panel blowout on Alaska Airlines flight
Seems small but something like this could kill this plane as a passenger jet if enough people are avoiding em.
I’m all for it to be honest. The 737 Max sounds like a death trap, and until Boeing is banned from certifying their own planes nobody should be flying in these IMO.
The FAA needs to start certifying these themselves again, and remove the existing loopholes/exemptions that allow some design changes to avoid recertification
Sounds like capitalism in its best form.
Like clockwork
If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.
If it’s Boeing, you’re not going, one way or another.
If I recall correctly this is basically what killed the dc-10
Seems like a smart function. I would not feel safe in a Boeing at the moment.
I will just drive my Tesla instead. So much safer.
thought you were serious for a second, for those who aren’t getting the joke, driving your car is thousands of times more dangerous than taking a plane flight
But all those articles about Boeing issues will get more people to drive. It’s ironic how fighting for higher flying safety standards can kill people. The surplus in car crash fatalities in the months after 9/11 was higher than the number of passengers on all the planes involved.
We need more trains in North America. From my experience between planes, trains, and automobiles (and boats) trains have been the best experience.
“Knocks on wood”. Japan’s bullet trains have zero fatalities after more than 60 years of service. Trains are the absolute safest if managed properly.
I’m one of those people that likes to get a window seat and occasionally check out the views and marvel at what is really going on at that moment.
But the flying experience sucks. If there was an option to chill in a comfy train to replace short and medium flights, I would be right there with you.
They’d also be the easiest to make self-driving.
Don’t want to deal with things like lane changes, identifying traffic signals, erratic drivers, etc? Just focus on self driving trains instead. They go back and forth on a set path, on a set schedule, and can automatically watch for things like people/animals/debris on the tracks, electronically receive stop/go signals, etc…
All the focus is on self-driving cars, when it really should be on trains.
It really is insane how many people’s perception of safety is so completely opposite to reality.
I don’t think I have ever seen a bolt randomly fall off my car.
And have you ever seen a bolt fall off a plane you were flying on?
Can’t say that I have but it is not really comparable since I would notice random ass fucking bolts in my driveway.
Ah yes, the location where your car experiences the most movement and vibrations and is most likely to lose a bolt: parked in your driveway. 🤦♀️
Where are Boeing planes losing bolts now? On the runway.
You work for them or something?
What an inane and pointless argument. (All of you)
Idk man I see this statistic all the time but you might survive a car crash but if you fall from a metal tube in the sky you are most likely dead as fuck. I think crashes happen lessoften but when you do crash in a plane theres usually zero survivors
It’s not even close. Passenger cars crash so much more frequently than planes (and other forms of transportation) that the rates of death are much higher.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
You are the reason casinos make money.
I came back to find this comment. How do you feel about flying now? Make sure it’s not a Boeing amirite?
I am an airframe and powerplant certified mechanic, I worked on 737NGs for years as well as a320/1/neo, etc.
I know more about aviation than you, I know more about plane crashes than you.
Hey if all that is true then yes you 100 percent do know more than I do about it that’s no question lol just poking at it again because of the news with Boeing killing that guy and the tons of problems they’ve found them to have and they’re still up there zipping around like nothing is happening.
There are stats about fatalities you know? Not just number of incidents. Cars are orders of magnitude more dangerous in those stats as well.
When being ironic, don’t forget of Poe’s Law
People on lemmy are smart, they will get it. Right?
Some people on lemmy are smart, likely a higher ratio than many other sites, but there’s still a ridiculous surplus of fools
And all those smart people still have incredibly stupid opinions outside their areas of expertise. Everyone is a moron in the wrong context.
I’d posit a well rounded education doesn’t necessarily agree with that. You don’t need a professional education in a topic to be able to provide a decent opinion, it’s just that many people opt not to work on their own educations and prefer to be spoon fed materials, and it’s this behaviour that produces morons in almost every context, rather than individuals that have problematic views in a few topics.
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A bit of clickbait. Yes they’ve added the option to filter out 737 Max 9, but also a bunch of older Boeing and Airbus planes
I just checked this myself:
But is the option to filter by plane model itself new?
If you’re adding a filter so people can avoid a certain plane, it makes sense to add more than one model of plane.
Dude I’ve never been on an A380 this may be my chance
I don’t want to filter out the max8/max8 planes because of bad pitot tubes or blowouts or nosedives.
I want to filter them out because even on a good day they’re horribly appointed terrible airplanes with absolutely nothing redeeming about them.
And I fly the fancy seats.
The fact they even HAVE a configuration where the back loo is right next to the galley with an open-air American-style bathroom partition separating the two, that should get someone arrested.
I thought generally the configuration of seats and galleys and toilets was up to the airline and they were pretty much modular?
How about just Boeing entirely? The Max planes have been problematic, but what about the 757’s having doors blow open mid flight or missing bolts or loose bolts? The issue with Boeing is getting so bad, Bombardier in Canada is starting to actually do business again.
Not to give Boeing any slack but what 757 had it’s door blown open? The only one I can find was DHL 757 which had its cargo door open during flight. Boeing had nothing to do with that incident as the plane originally left the factory as a passenger jet. Later in the aircraft’s life it was converted into a freighter by Precision Conversions LLC. This wasn’t even a door plug situation like with AS1282 as the conversion process preformed by Precision Conversions LLC requires cutting a rather large hole in the fuselage for the cargo door. The other thing is Boeing hasn’t produced a 757 since 2004, any manufacturering defect thats made it twenty years before causing issues is pretty impressive.
Also bombardier currently only makes business jets. The closest plane bombardier has ever made to competing with Boeing was the C series however those jets were designed for regional flights which is a sector of the industry Boeing doesn’t really compete in outside of the 737 max 7. On top of that because of shady deals bombardier orchestrated Boeing got very scared and lobbied the department of commerce to enact a 292% import tariff on the C series. Due to the tariffs Bombardier ended up completely selling the C series to airbus in 2020 who rebranded it to the A220.
My first thought after the door incident was that I hope this brings the price down of air travel, looks like that’s happening
I dunno I would still fly on a Boeing for a discount
When every single incident makes national news, yeah, they’re pretty damn safe still. I’ll take the cheap tickets, thanks.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A leading online travel agent has added filters to let users exclude flights that use Boeing’s troubled 737 Max planes, after a piece of fuselage falling off an Alaska Airlines flight led to a surge of user interest in avoiding the airliners.
Following the Alaska Airlines incident, it says there was a 15-fold increase in use of the original filter, prompting it to rework the setting, making it more prominent on the search page and adding the ability to distinguish between 737 Max 8 and Max 9 planes, since only the latter has been grounded by America’s Federal Aviation Administration.
The surge of interest in the new feature demonstrates the unusual extent to which typical travellers are actively avoiding the 737 Max planes.
Such filters are more commonly used by regular travellers with esoteric preferences around particular seat locations on various planes, rather than a broad-brush fear of an entire family of jets.
On Sunday, the FAA expanded its scrutiny of Boeing jets to another, older model of 737, the 737-900ER, which it says uses a similar door design.
“The safety of the flying public, not speed, will determine the timeline for returning these aircraft to service,” it said.
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So strange - can’t find the Max 9 filter option on their app or website.
Presumably it only shows models that actually fly the route you’re trying to book.
There aren’t many Max 9’s in the world, it’s a brand new model. Also in some countries the model is not allowed to fly with passengers on board right now.
Yes I thought the same so searched for the flight I have booked that uses a Max 9 (UA DEN-FLL nonstop) and it doesn’t show as an option.
It shows up for me on the website with that origin and destination:
I was just thinking about this lastnight; I don’t fly often, but next time I do, I’ll be paying attention to which plane is actually used and avoiding the max.
I’ve never paid any attention to the plane model before.
Boeing fucked up pretty big with this plane if even those that pretty much never fly are thinking this way.
Boeing is literally making planes that don’t fly.
They don’t deserve to be in business.
Too bad if you’re already booked and the airline company changes the plane on you…
Genuine question. Could somebody legally demand a refund at that point the flight was different than sold as?
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Obviously they fucked up. Unfortunately they are the competition. This is what happens when there’s a monopoly.
I say, fuck Google and Amazon and get those monopolies in check.
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Airbus. Easy answer. I’d rather fly on an A320 than a 737 anyway, especially an A320neo vs 737max.
Obviously Airbus, who make better planes. Boeing certainly don’t have a monopoly, take a look on Flightradar. Airbus are killing it, especially in EU.
Why not Airbus? They’re the largest manufacturer in the world by market share. Boeing is not a monopoly.
You lack perspective. I’m literally sitting in an office looking out to the big ass Boeing facility right here. Like imagine me just walking over and telling them “hey you don’t know how to make airplanes”. That’s a fucking retarded comment. As much as I don’t like the company…well more like I’m just ambivalent about them since I have no business with them and they don’t affect my every day life in a direct way…other than food, deliveries and people I talk to, yeah they, Boeing are important to the local and the national economy. So it’s short sighted to say let’s shit down the company. If you were an engineer and got a letter accepting you for a position at Boeing, you would be thrilled to accept. The technology and know how you would earn would be a once in a lifetime experience…but somehow they can’t make airplanes? No fuckin way. It’s their management. Change management.
Did you reply to the wrong comment or something?
I didn’t say anything about Boeing not being able to make aeroplanes. Only a note of surprise that the parent comment would dismiss Airbus as an alternative manufacturer of aeroplanes when they are the largest manufacturer of aeroplanes in the world.
I’m stoked to hear that you live near a Boeing factory though. That must be very exciting for you.
Yeah, imagine thinking… hmmm is that a plane? Or a falling tire? Or a safety door?
