Meme still works if you substitute capitalism for communism
Going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing that’s the original cartoon and this is a play on the irony of the post-modern revelation of many of capitalism’s failures.
Not only that, this isn’t real X is just a bad road to go down in. You need to define what system you want and judge if you met the plan, not some ideal.
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How?
except that it doesn’t as anybody who’s minimally literate would know
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Your capacity to ignore the real world is the only thing that’s brainless here.
Ah yes, the suffering of my (great)grandparents is surely imaginary.
No but it sure was based
Aww, I’m sorry your (great)grandparents had their serfs taken away and were forced to become productive members of society.
Dude, all you needed to be defined a “kulak” was to own your own homestead, they worked on their farms themselves. Serfdom had been over for more than a hundred years at that point.
Kulaks were literal exploiters. Maybe learn some history, you’ll find out why the term means a fist.
nah not really
You need more skulls for communism.
think of a number that u think communism killed between 1920 and 2020 just whatever u can imagine just add up all the made up numbers u have seen in all ur favorite propaganda and keep that number in mind and open the spoiler below.
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last year more than 20 million people died in capitalist countries from perfectly preventable causes such as starvation and disease and thats without even counting how many people were murdered by imperialist countries and their puppet around the world to maintain capitalism.
idk what number u came up with but i grantee u it was less than 2 billion. and ur number is an exaggeration while mine in an under estimation.
The trick is that when people die under capitalism, the blame falls on a “corrupt” individual so the system is never accountable.
Either that or it’s the fault of the person that died for not practicing enough personal responsibility.
The issue is what is defined as capitalism and communism. If by capitalism you mean the most powerful countries with the best weapons and foreign policy that kills people, then I guess capitalism kills lots of people. The caveat is that if a communist governmnet ever got that same amount of power, they would kill even more people. The issue with communism is that you cant disagree with it, whereas you can be as communist as you want in a capitalist country, typically.
The caveat is that if a communist governmnet ever got that same amount of power, they would kill even more people.
Vibes based political analysis.
That’s only an issue if you’re illiterate. Capitalism is defined as a dictatorship of the capital owning class, and communism is defined as a dictatorship of the working class. It’s not complicated. Meanwhile, disagreements that can’t translate into tangible action are worthless. Capitalist countries regularly assassinate communists who actually gain political power. See Fred Hampton and MLK as primary examples of this.
2 billion? Or 20Million?
20 million times 100 years is 2000 million or 2 American billions
Hmm “last year” data might be very different over 100 years. It tends to increase towards later dates so its weird to assume its constant
true, i wast trying to say that capitalism killed that many people in that specific period of time just that over a period of a 100 years at the current rate of murder it would be way more than the ridiculous number of death attributed to communism during that time. but i totally see how it could be misunderstood
Capitalism kills more people each decade than even the wildest numbers capitalist chuds have ascribed to communism, and yet here you are. A stable genius.
Considering the brits alone managed to kill 100 million people in India alone over a span of 30 years, I think you are mistaken. Capitalism is a mass murder machine.
Comrade Yogthos chose war today.
Lemmy.ml is a fun little battleground, haha.
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Capitalism kills millions every yesr despite a surplus of resources and production to meet everyone’s needs, but some right-wingers say it isn’t true Capitalism because the state gets in the way.
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Communism has a better track record than Capitalism does. Why do you believe otherwise?
Secondly, what about Communism doesn’t work if people are greedy and selfish? How do you think Communism and Socialism work?
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when u point out the atrocities of capitalism to some libs they will say dumb shit like “its crony capitalism thats the problem” as if “crony capitalism” or whatever other excuse they come up with (like trying to separate colonialism and capitalism) was not an inevitable and intended result of what they call “real capitalism”
It’s actually a centrally planned economy.
Yes, centrally planned by the Banks.
‘Capitalism is the worst from of economy, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.’ - modified Winston Churchill quote. While I know how I use the quote in my head isn’t how Churchill intended, to me it means don’t settle for something just because it’s the best option that’s currently available.
The sheer amount of ignorance required to believe this is equal parts astounding and depressing. Here’s what currently existing options to this despotic system are currently achieving https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience
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Ok pal slow your roll. I’m on your side and you’re right. I said what I took from his quote not what it actually means and definitely not how it’s used in pop culture. I know what it means. You can call me lazy, cause I don’t bother to really explain myself well online, but please don’t call me ignorant. You come across as looking for a fight and that doesn’t make me want to actually engage you in a serious discussion.
Wow amazing, industrialization lifts people out of poverty… never would have realized. The problem with China is that currently, akin to the later stages of the USSR, they’re only redistributing the wealth insofar as that means reprivatizing and consolidating in new hands, not actually redistributing from the wealthy minority to the majority, but creating a new wealthy minority.
Weird how industrialization isn’t lifting people out of poverty in places like India the same way. Wonder what might be different. Maybe a smarty pants such as yourself could enlighten us. 🤔
A far right corporatocratic government that makes exactly zero effort to help the people? I’m not saying China is exclusively bad. The USSR was the only ‘country’ able to successfully play catch up with the west industrially. The problem is when the authoritarian government get old, realize they don’t own anything to secure their families’ continued lavish lifestyle, and reprivatize. I literally went to school with a guy whose grandpa was pals with Mao. Guess whose family is now worth billions and lives a lavish lifestyle in a mansion in Northern China?
I’m not trying to argue socialism is bad, just that it can’t be achieved by an authoritarian government to significant effect.
That’s where the value of democratically achieved socialism comes in, but it would have to be somewhere with an incredibly secure democracy and secure economic status, as the capitalist (elite) forces from outside and within will always work to destroy/impede socialism.
A far right corporatocratic government that makes exactly zero effort to help the people?
meanwhile in the real world https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience
The problem is when the authoritarian government get old, realize they don’t own anything to secure their families’ continued lavish lifestyle, and reprivatize.
Authoritarian is a nonsensical term, every government holds authority by virtue of having the monopoly on violence, the only question is whose interests the government serves.
I literally went to school with a guy whose grandpa was pals with Mao. Guess whose family is now worth billions and lives a lavish lifestyle in a mansion in Northern China?
again, welcome to the real world https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
That’s where the value of democratically achieved socialism comes in, but it would have to be somewhere with an incredibly secure democracy and secure economic status, as the capitalist (elite) forces from outside and within will always work to destroy/impede socialism.
China already has democratic socialism. Only westerners pretend otherwise.
