Hi,
Sorry if this has been posted before but I’m looking at trying Usenet instead of torrents.
I’ve done some Googling and honestly, it’s a little overwhelming knowing what Usenet provider to use, where to get quality indexers and which download client would be the best.
If anyone has any resources or advice to help me sail the Usenet sees I would be eternally grateful!
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I’m not sure about anything, but the client, as I’ve been usenetting without thinking much about stuff for almost a decade now.
- eweka.nl (share your access with friends and family - I’ve shared mine with like 8 people some time in the past)
- nzbgeek (lifetime API access was like 30€ - well worth it), I also know about nzbplanet, but I don’t have a premium account there. You can try these out without paying to see if their offer suits what you’re looking for, but you won’t get API access of course and you’ll be limited in the downloads.
Last, but not least: sabnzbd is the gold standard for clients. Runs on everything: from a raspberry pi to your Desktop PC.
Do you tunnel your usage through a VPN?
Nope. Usenet is quite safe legally, afaik, since you’re not uploading/seeding anything. IANAL, though.
yea that’s not true technically. the only reason usenet hasn’t been dismantled by infinite court cases is its obscurity.
Usenet still uses SSL so ISPs can’t see what you download
No but content owners could directly DMCA stuff that’s hosted on usenet, they just don’t.
No but content owners could directly DMCA stuff that’s hosted on usenet, they just don’t.
They absolutely do, which is why the vast, vast majority of content is obfuscated, necessitating the use of indexers.
How can data snippets with ID be copyright infringement? The hoster can not know which snippet is for what and is therefore bot able to Block Upload of copyright data And in the other hand, indexer only provide a nzb files, which are as well no copyright infringement Combine this with a country where only uploading copyright protected files to the public is forbidden (like Switzerland) and you are pretty save
can not know
Yes they can, the articles are named with the filename of the content that’s in it, and the data itself is unencrypted. But I wasn’t even talking about blocking uploads, just having content providers be able to take down existing content.
But get this, it’s even worse in Switzerland because the provider is also now forced to keep that same content from reappearing! This is called the “stay down” rule.
country where only uploading is forbidden
downloading computer games and software remains a crime
Yes but that doesn’t affect any of us.
Of course it is illegal for the providers.
It could if that DMCA or some court order resulted in revealing your residential IP, and then your monopoly ISP terminates you. SSL/TLS would not save you there.
Most Usenet providers offer secure connections so I don’t know if it’s necessary, but I use a VPN.
I do. Just in case.
Ironically through my seedbox provider :pI thought seedboxes were a torrent thing?
They are.
But my provider offers a VPN through the same connection.
Last time I looked most of seedbox and usenet providers offered this as a perk.
And the speed is very good. This time I don’t even need a VPN service. Though I am limited to one country I don’t have an issue with the limitation.Thanks. I feel like since I started posting on Lemmy, I’ve been like a bottomless pit trying to learn everything I can. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.
I think it’s 80 for lifetime now, 12 for a year
Thank you! I’ll give that stuff a look!
DM me if you want invites to private indexers. They are paid but cheap. I also recommend frugal Usenet because…well…I’m cheap.
I’ll bite. What is frugal Usenet?
A usenet provider
Just a cheap Usenet provider. They’re cheap for what the provide but in my opinion on par with the more expensive “premium” providers. https://frugalusenet.com/
What are the advantages of usenets?
In Germany they provide relief from the constant fear your vpn might leak and you’ll receive mail.
Expensive mail.
Higher and better retention of old stuff.
You can see the discussions that inspired the Comic Boom Guy.
You’re downloading from servers not other people, so you don’t have to worry about the number of peers
It’s great, although a little unfair, and perhaps illegal in some draconian jurisdictions, to use nets while fishing
Sabnzbd for downloading, Frugal usenet for provider, Nzbgeek and drunkenslug for indexer
How much does all that cost? Or rather, does all that cost? I currently torrent but could see getting into Usenet if I don’t have to provide payment info.
Sabnzbd is free, you can install anywhere basically. The rest is not free unfortunately, someone has to host the files, as there are no peers in usenet. I think some, if not all, providers and indexers can be paid with crypto or even mailing them the money by post.
Provider is €50 a year. Indexers are around €10 a year, but there are lifetime subscriptions for some.
In return, you don’t need a VPN, download speeds are stable and there is no seeding.
I jumped into Usenet as an experiment and, once it was setup, it was ok. Although it is definitely not simple to get started and it seems you are constantly having to pay for stuff, even to access the trackers, which don’t even have all the content!
I decided I didn’t download enough and what I wanted was too hard to find, so I went back to Torrents. Way simpler for my occasional use.
If you’re planning to download media, check out the Server Wiki. It has guides on setting up all the software to automate the process.
Thanks, but I am currently using Radarr and Sonarr, just looking at alternate potentially faster sources
Only get Usenet with a usenet deal. Usually on/around Black Friday.
Afaik deals are usually posted on r/UsenetDeals or similar called sub.Good to know, thank you!
Usenet is old and centralized so a lot easier to shut down and is payed because you pay for server retention and access.
Usenet is considered decentralized, it is made up of many independent servers that talk to each other. take one down, and the rest continue on without problems.
Everyone who is paying for pirating is doing things wrong. Don’t be stupid.
A lot of people are pirating not because of the money, but the horrible service of the streaming platforms
Doesn’t matter. Pirating AND paying for it is something only a fool would do. Don’t be a fool.
I use Premiumize, multihoster for most popular Filehoster with access to Usenet, Torrent and VPN. Usenet retention is about 1200 days. It has 1TB of Cloud Storage and you can use their inbuilt Downloader on their website to download stuff straight to their cloud (or your own Mega or Google Drive cloud if you prefer that), so you don’t have to install any Torrent or Usenet clients. (This is not an ad, I just really like their service and been using it for 3 years)
Sabnzb or NZBGet are good choices if you wanna use some client on your own. Just don’t use Momentum, they will steal your credentials.
Most popular indexers are NZBIndex, Binsearch and NZBKing but I prefer Boards like nzbgrabit, nzbforyou or The Hive.
I have never heard of any of those indexers there’s no way those are the most popular
I guess it depends on where you’re from. As a German I only use the 3 biggest German NZB boards which are also free to use and they all redirect us to the downloads of the indexers mentioned. That’s why I assumed they were the biggest.
I just found out they’re not and that there’s way more popular indexers which you have to pay for which is hilarious to me.
Hilarious? Why are you so smug? Those indexers have so much more than the ones you listed
Just a quick note that the dev for NZBGet stopped work on it a year or two ago. Probably better to stick with Sabnzb.
The dev did sanction the NZBGet fork tho (nzbgetcom/nzbget). So there is still a viable and actively developed NZBGet application for those who want it
Thanks for the info. I’ll check it out.
