I also found the whole thing more than a bit distasteful tbh and I’m a huge supporter of Ukraine.
Any lady that old is going to say whatever the hell she needs to to get soldiers (of any kind, I’d wager) away from her. Like there’s no question she considers Kursk to be Russian so any Ukrainian soldier trying to get her to say “oh yeah, the Ukrainian army is great” and she does it is down to the power imbalance.
Like what was she supposed to say? “No lads, you fuck off home now” and hope for the best that she doesn’t get shot?
It looks like the ladies approached the soldiers, not the other way around. The soldier speaking was polite, and didn’t tell her what to say in response to his “glory to Ukraine.” She could have just said nothing. I’m really not seeing a problem here.
here’s some bad news, ukrainians do it too, just not nearly to the extent that russians do. if you don’t understand that and admit it to yourself, that’s you’re failing. when presented with a group of m16 toting ukrainians driving around in a humvee so packed with guns and ammo they can’t fit two little old ladies, and knowing the russian govt is monitoring all video ESPECIALLY clips coming from the incrusioned front line, and knowing the russian authorities will see this woman saying “glory”, and knowing russian authorities love making examples of the weak and unable to defend themselves by shooting them or sending them to hard labor, publishing this vidoe of the hobbling old woman responding “glory” to the ukrainians “glory to ukraine” is ursurous, and shows a lack of either heart, intelligence, or both
Eh, there didn’t seem to be any sort of implied threat or imbalance of power in the little snippet presented here. The old ladies approached the soldiers and asked for a lift, and the soldiers seemed honestly apologetic that they had no room to provide one.
It’s quite interesting seeing the “depoliticization” of the general Russian population having this effect, when the Ukrainians moved in a surprising number seem to be just shrugging and going “new management, I guess.” Will be interesting to see how the occupation goes if it’s long-term.
there didn’t seem to be any […] imbalance of power
Ah yes, I’m sure those old women were cleverly hiding their assault rifles and military training, and that there wad in fact a balance of power between both groups - the old, unarmed women, and the truck of young armed military men.
I’m not saying they were being awful or anything, I do agree with you overall, just that there’s a clear imbalance of power here is all, and even if they aren’t pressing they power, it exists.
Even if it were 10 strapping young lads talking to the military fellas there’d still be an imbalance of who has the power between both groups, because one side has guns and knives and knows how to use 'em.
prompting the hobbling old lady to say “glory” as response to “glory to ukraine” may not have been the fairest thing they could have done
I also found the whole thing more than a bit distasteful tbh and I’m a huge supporter of Ukraine.
Any lady that old is going to say whatever the hell she needs to to get soldiers (of any kind, I’d wager) away from her. Like there’s no question she considers Kursk to be Russian so any Ukrainian soldier trying to get her to say “oh yeah, the Ukrainian army is great” and she does it is down to the power imbalance.
Like what was she supposed to say? “No lads, you fuck off home now” and hope for the best that she doesn’t get shot?
They were asking for a ride. She speaks Ukrainian. I’m guessing she wasn’t bothered by it.
@thenewred @khannie
Correct.
It looks like the ladies approached the soldiers, not the other way around. The soldier speaking was polite, and didn’t tell her what to say in response to his “glory to Ukraine.” She could have just said nothing. I’m really not seeing a problem here.
@khannie @downpunxx Ukrainians aren’t going to shoot an unarmed civilian. Russians do that, not Ukrainians.
here’s some bad news, ukrainians do it too, just not nearly to the extent that russians do. if you don’t understand that and admit it to yourself, that’s you’re failing. when presented with a group of m16 toting ukrainians driving around in a humvee so packed with guns and ammo they can’t fit two little old ladies, and knowing the russian govt is monitoring all video ESPECIALLY clips coming from the incrusioned front line, and knowing the russian authorities will see this woman saying “glory”, and knowing russian authorities love making examples of the weak and unable to defend themselves by shooting them or sending them to hard labor, publishing this vidoe of the hobbling old woman responding “glory” to the ukrainians “glory to ukraine” is ursurous, and shows a lack of either heart, intelligence, or both
@downpunxx @LaFinlandia @khannie
Bullshit
Eh, there didn’t seem to be any sort of implied threat or imbalance of power in the little snippet presented here. The old ladies approached the soldiers and asked for a lift, and the soldiers seemed honestly apologetic that they had no room to provide one.
It’s quite interesting seeing the “depoliticization” of the general Russian population having this effect, when the Ukrainians moved in a surprising number seem to be just shrugging and going “new management, I guess.” Will be interesting to see how the occupation goes if it’s long-term.
Ah yes, I’m sure those old women were cleverly hiding their assault rifles and military training, and that there wad in fact a balance of power between both groups - the old, unarmed women, and the truck of young armed military men.
I’m not saying they were being awful or anything, I do agree with you overall, just that there’s a clear imbalance of power here is all, and even if they aren’t pressing they power, it exists.
Even if it were 10 strapping young lads talking to the military fellas there’d still be an imbalance of who has the power between both groups, because one side has guns and knives and knows how to use 'em.
If the women felt threatened they could have simply not approached the Ukrainian soldiers.