GEICO, the second-largest vehicle insurance underwriter in the US, has decided it will no longer cover Tesla Cybertrucks. The company is terminating current Cybertruck policies and says the truck “doesn’t meet our underwriting guidelines.”

  • helenslunch@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    16
    ·
    1 month ago

    The article mentions multiple examples of them just randomly shutting down

    Which is really strange considering they don’t pay anything for that…?

    • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      A vehicle shutting down in the middle of the freeway can easily cause multiple accidents.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        1 month ago

        I don’t know how you got to the assumption that they all broke down in the middle of a freeway?

        • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          I don’t know how you got to the conclusion that OP was saying “all” and not being hypothetical.

          • helenslunch@feddit.nl
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            10
            ·
            1 month ago

            Because hypothetical is a pointless and irrelevant discussion, and isn’t exclusive to the Cybertruck.

            • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              ·
              edit-2
              1 month ago

              According to this comment thread and the article, these cars have abruptly stopped functioning with no warning. Do you not think it is only a matter of time before that occurs in a dangerous situation? Insurance companies base their decisions on statistics and probabilities. It is very much related to “hypotheticals”.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nl
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                8
                ·
                1 month ago

                Do you not think it is only a matter of time before that occurs in a dangerous situation?

                I literally just explained this in the comment you replied to.

                It depends on what it means by “stopped functioning”. It could mean any of a hundred different failures. Did the screen shut off? Did it slam on the brakes at 60mph? Did it lose propulsion, and can simply be rolled off the road?

                Once again, this is not remotely the first time cars have had issues like this and never before were their insurance policies canceled for something that never happened.

                In other words, this ain’t it.

                • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  I literally just explained this in the comment you replied to.

                  You did not.

                  Once again…

                  This was the first time you made this point, so not sure why you say “again”.

                  In other words, this ain’t it.

                  They likely won’t disclose the real reasons. However I’m yet to be convinced that reliability wasn’t taken into account.

            • Kalysta@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              It’s rare for normal cars to shut down with no warning.

              It’s pretty common for cybertrucks to do it.

              Eventually that’s gonna happen on a highway. Insurance works by assuming the worst thing that can happen will happen and charging you appropriately. It’s far from irrelevant in this case.

    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      1 month ago

      The go pedal and the steering wheel are equivalent to a keyboard/mouse and are not physically connected to anything. If the car shuts off, the wheels go where they feel like with absolutely no driver control.

      • Auli@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        Never thought of they how would you brake if the car shutoff.

            • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              Definitely not as well but you can still use them. Cars didn’t even have vacuum assisted brakes up into the 1960s and 1970s

              • Malfeasant@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                Yes, and they were designed with that in mind- brake pedals with more leverage for one…

                My mom had a Ford ranger for a while that had lost its brake boost, it took a lot of force to get it to slow down, and that wasn’t even a heavy vehicle, this was back when a pickup was a two-seater…

      • helenslunch@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        That’s absolutely not how that works. There is no such thing as “off” for this vehicle. It can mean any number of things. There are also several redundancies built in. Airplanes full of hundreds of passengers thousands of feet in the air are also flown without mechanical controls but society seems to accept that that’s okay?

        • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          Did you really just draw an equivalency between Tesla’s software practices and the aerospace industry? Even Daddy Musk isn’t stupid enough to pretend those are the same.

          Also your assertion that there is “no such thing as off” blatantly displays your horrible lack of understanding that distributed computing still relies on electricity.

          Edit: since Tesla is apparently the same thing as Airbus, can you point me to the source code published by the relevant regulatory body that controls the Cybertruck’s steering mechanism?

          • helenslunch@feddit.nl
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            15
            ·
            edit-2
            1 month ago

            Do you really just not understand the difference between an analogy and an equivalency?

            Also your assertion about computation and electricity displays your horrible lack of understanding of the concept of redundancies.

            If you have evidence that there was a complete lack of power to any and all systems, please do present it, but I’m very confident that you don’t, so please come off it.

            • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              11
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              Yes, I fully understand the difference between analogy and equivalency. You claimed that fly by wire on an aircraft is exactly as safe and redundant as the steering wheel of a Tesla vehicle. That’s called an equivalency and is a demonstrably false statement. I never claimed that there were no redundancies to the power supplies, but it’s simply not relevant. You do understand that there are different regulations and rigors applied to an aircraft compared to a crappy car that hasn’t even passed any crash safety testing and hasn’t been certified by any engineering standards bodies, right?

              • helenslunch@feddit.nl
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                14
                ·
                1 month ago

                You claimed that fly by wire on an aircraft is exactly as safe and redundant as the steering wheel of a Tesla vehicle.

                I did not. You just pulled that out of your ass. I don’t have time for bad faith arguments. Good night.

                • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  9
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  The only good news here is that the regulators in your country aren’t stupid enough to let you operate this machine near your fellow humans.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nl
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                …yes? Was there something you wanted to add? I can’t see anything in Twitter.

                • Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  I drove it ONE block after delivery, it made a loud thunk, and threw alarms, and was disabled!

                  You requested evidence, I was attempting to provide evidence. Copy paste of last line of the Twitter post.

        • Kalysta@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          Have you looked at the cybertruck’s manufacturing practices? Airplanes have redundancies for their redunancies and that’s why people use them. The cybertruck was built with the “go fast and break things” model, does not have redundancies, and actually removed some standard safety features found in every other car. Like tempered glass.

          Comparing a cyber truck to an airplane is like comparing a pinewood derby car to a military personnel carrier. One was made by a child. The other is engineered to keep as many soldiers alive as possible.

        • MasterCommander@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          1 month ago

          No one is saying it’s actually happened. It is a fact though that they are shutting down while driving which introduces a higher risk of it happening which the insurance companies don’t want to take.

          • helenslunch@feddit.nl
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            10
            ·
            edit-2
            1 month ago

            That’s my point. Unless it’s actually happened, you’re completely blowing things out of proportion, and most likely does not explain this situation.

            This isnt the first vehicle to ever break down on the highway…