• Andy@slrpnk.net
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      This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don’t think that there’s any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.

      Either way, words can’t describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.

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          So the one says it out loud, the other just keeps the intention quiet.

          Both are equally sending weapons.

          However with Trump we saw that he pulled American soldiers out of the region and he is much more unstable. So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.

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            So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.

            That would require him to give a shit about the soldiers dying to make a change. His history says the exact opposite of that. Soldiers dying would do absolutely nothing towards whether he changes anything.

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              Trump pulled most troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure he doesnt care about the soldiers life, but he isnt committed to being a war hawk. He just does random stuff.

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                The troop withdrawal was already being worked before Trump even started campaigning. He just decided to speed it up dramatically so he could say he achieved something, and promised a deadline that was unattainable while doing it well. It’s not random, it’s narcissism at the expense of everything else, including the country.

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                  The troop withdrawal was already being worked before Trump even started campaigning.

                  Yeah it was in the works for like 20 years lol.

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          No intelligent person should vote for a party supporting a genocide either. Israel government is finishing the job already.

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            Ok. But either Harris or Trump WILL be our next president with how fucked up our election system is.

            Who would you rather fight on this? A run of the mill democrat, or a literal nazi? We’re choosing our opponent, it’s the only choice we get.

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              Don’t support any of them and use your energies somewhere else, you said yourself that the system is fucked up

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                Okay black pill bro. When you grow up and understand how things actually work, let us know.

                Maybe those of us who are actively trying (while also understanding how our choices work) will acquire Ranked Choice voting before you become mature enough to join in on this non-black-or-white conversation.

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                  Maybe those of us who are actively trying

                  Advocating for the government and ruling parties is actively trying to empower them even more.

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                Sure. And then trump wins and i completely lose my reproductive rights and my trans wife loses her healthcare.

                There’s more at stake here.

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                  There’s more at stake here.

                  There’s indeed more at stake, there’s an ongoing genocide in gaza where kids are being murdered daily. If you care about human rights that’s even more reason for you to stop supporting the parties that for decades have fuck over these rights.

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        It’ll disappear by him shutting down all news organizations and outlawing any dissenting opinions. He’s straight up said it. There is no functional difference on this issues between them. It’s the ancillary consequences trump will impose on everyone that is why he should be fired into the sun as an example.

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          Zionism is an anti-semitic ideology. It was concocted by atheist colonizers, not religious leaders. The goals are colonial, not religious. Most importantly zios commit these crimes while claiming to be the only true jews. This is extremely anti-semitic.

          So it’s no surprise that they’ve collaborated with literal nazis before WW2. And it’s no surprise that they continue to collaborate with racists and fascists all over the planet. In the usa the vast majority of zionists are christians that are generally very anti-semitic. They want jews to take over palestine so doomsday will come and kill the jews! These are the allies of zionism smh.

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            Zionism is an anti-semitic ideology.

            A significant number of jews across the globe say otherwise. The very foundation of your argument is self serving propoganda. And I didnt read past that.

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        Trump in charge tends to highlight problems not burry them. Like how immigration and the border camps were a huge story, then Biden got elected, kept all the same staff and same facilities and suddenly the border camps weren’t a problem and we went further rightward on immigration. People stop paying attention when Democrats win, that’s how they burry stories, and that’s why the media loves Trump, because hes the one who generates the clicks and engagement they track.

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      Trump would tell Netanyahu to nuke the place and he’d fucking do it. It would be a catastrophe the likes of which we haven’t seen since WWII.

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      She most likely was in the room when Biden authorized the troops you know. She is very much on the same page as Biden on this.

      Sucks you guys don’t have any other option.

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          She did say she supports Bidens stance on Israel and that israel has the right to murder innocent children protect itself.

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            Of the two she’s the one whose had statements about Israel needing to respect international law. So there’s no evidence she believes Israel should be allowed to conduct a genocide.

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            To be fair I think most people think it (and other countries) should be able to defend itself… it’s just that they went from defense to all out genocide like a year ago.

            The current party doesn’t know where that line is while the other party wants them to “finish the job”.

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          Didn’t she just say the other week there’s nothing she wouldn’t do differently from Biden?

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            Which to this point has been attempts at a cease fire and offshore missile defense help. Putting troops under Iranian missiles is a massive departure from the past year.

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              No, up to this point it has been billions of dollars and weapons to Israel with the occasional finger wag to them. Troops on the ground is the natural next step of his policy up to now, and congruent with Kamala’s statements that “Iran is the number one enemy”.

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            I have. She generally tries to walk a line between fully pro Israel and neutrality.