We’ve caught on to how this works now. I anticipate about two more iterations of tedious, drawn out flip-flopping and misinformation during the remaining steps before we are either finally let in or the whole thing fizzles out.

Yeah, I agree that’s probably how this is going to play out; Ukraine cedes some territory to Russia and is allowed to join NATO, hopefully safeguarding it against further Russian imperialism in the future.

In the meantime, we should of course keep supporting Ukraine as much as we can to give them as strong of a position in these potential future negotiations as possible.

You can’t fool us Erdogan, we’ve seen this move before.

By tomorrow he’ll have new demands. He’ll demand Sweden form a space agency and plant the Turkish flag on the moon or something like that, mark my words.

A couple of things.

• Our defence has historically been coordinated to a high degree with Finland, and with only one of us in NATO it makes this coordination more difficult. So, in some ways, we are worse off than before the process started.
• As it is now, Sweden is generally not worried about a land invasion. The danger is how exposed we are from the baltic.
• A large part of why we want in is for continued solidarity and support of Finland. It is much better for Finland if we are in than if we are not.