She has quotes why she finds them annoying, no need of making a strawman. Coming in at 10:30 to work has nothing to do with workers rights, it’s unprofessional and disrespectful (assuming other people are waiting for you).
And how much you wanna bet that doesn’t actually happen?
I’ve never had gen z pull that without good reason. We have more issues with boomers than the other way around.
Oh, and by the way… it very much is a workers rights issue when they’re sick or need to take the kid to the doctor or something. Which, we do have that happening.
Again with the strawman arguments? It’s not a justified reason. The quote is literally “I’m not feeling it, I’m coming in at 10:30 today”. Which at a movie set I understand how disruptive it can be. It’s not a software dev job where you can do your job from 13 to 22 for all everyone cares.
I don’t have a solid argument one way or another, but I will chime in to say that as someone in a leadership position, 99% of the time someone complains about a late co-worker, it’s an older person annoyed with a younger person being late in a situation that doesn’t remotely affect them. They’re just annoyed that “young people have no work ethic.”
But I do see your point as well. Years ago, I worked in healthcare, and lateness could literally impact patient care, so that was completely different.
Most often though, I’ve seen people simply annoyed with the idea that other people are late.
I have no way of knowing the exact circumstances of Jodie Foster’s complaints. If people start work on the set by chatting and making small talk like they do in a lot of workplaces, then I can’t blame people for not showing up on time, but I have no idea what their actual workday looks like, so I’ll withhold judgment.
Sometimes, being the calm voice in the middle is much more valuable than having a “solid argument”. You sound like a very reasonable person that I wouldn’t mind having as a boss.
Thanks, I try. I feel like I succeed at this a lot more in real life than I do online. At least, I try to be understanding.
Also, the people I work with are excellent. It’s not that they’re complaining about each other constantly, though it is something that’s happened a few times, always about a co-worker being late or opting to work unconventional hours such as evenings and weekends. To me, these are non-issues. I feel like everybody does their best, and the work gets done.
The quote is literally “I’m not feeling it, I’m coming in at 10:30 today”. Which at a movie set I understand how disruptive it can be. It’s not a software dev job where you can do your job from 13 to 22 for all everyone cares
And I’m saying that probably doesn’t actually happen.
At worst I’m calling her a liar for exagerating what does happen. That’s not a strawman. Obviously, I don’t have the evidence for it- I’ve never worked for her. What I do know is that I have never had this issue. What I have had- as a manager, dealing with Gen Z- is people calling in sick while boomers complain about how “lazy” they are.
This, too, is not a straw man. This is an observation from my own experience. Maybe TV set Gen-Z are different. but I doubt it.
Is Jodie Foster a well-known liar? Seriously, I have no idea.
If not, you’re just being weirdly defensive of people you don’t know. Her anecdotes are as valid as yours, and since she probably works with more teams, they may have a bigger data source than your own.
I’ve had her experience and yours at different workplaces.
My workday is 7.30 to 16.00. My gen-z employee works 10.00 to 17.00. That’s not unprofessional, that’s work-life balance. And if you plan meetings with him at 9.30, you’re the unprofessional one.
It depends on the work being done and the workplace expectations. If there is a clear expectation that you will be at work at 0800 and someone shows up at 1030 for no reason, that’s not good. It may have resulted in a lot of people stuck waiting on that one person. I used to deal with both sides of this at a previous job. I’m not a morning person, not by any stretch of the imagination. I also worked with a lot of military types, which means that 0600 was sleeping in for them. They would regularly try to schedule meetings as early as 0700 and I had to push back on it. Thankfully, we had official “core hours” of 0900 to 1500. The expectation was that we would be available for meetings between those hours and did not need to be available outside those hours (so long as we worked our 8). This also meant that I needed to have my tired arse in the office and ready to go at 0900, as this was a very common time for meetings.
Just going by the given statement in the article, it seems that there was an expectation for the person to be in earlier and they called off without warning or a reason. Maybe they just did have one and didn’t want to give it. But, the given statement is “I’m not feeling it”. If there is an expectation that one is in earlier, and they just fob it off like that, that’s pretty unprofessional.
It depends on what you do. If you work an assemblyline, obviously that’s not an option. If you work in an office, then it’s pretty normal not to schedule meetings when someone isn’t available, isn’t it?
I wouldn’t plan a meeting during someone’s morning stand-up, and I wouldn’t plan a meeting during their free evening. Why is it a problem when someone starts late? (Assuming they don’t just 90 minutes late)
She has quotes why she finds them annoying, no need of making a strawman. Coming in at 10:30 to work has nothing to do with workers rights, it’s unprofessional and disrespectful (assuming other people are waiting for you).
And how much you wanna bet that doesn’t actually happen?
I’ve never had gen z pull that without good reason. We have more issues with boomers than the other way around.
Oh, and by the way… it very much is a workers rights issue when they’re sick or need to take the kid to the doctor or something. Which, we do have that happening.
Again with the strawman arguments? It’s not a justified reason. The quote is literally “I’m not feeling it, I’m coming in at 10:30 today”. Which at a movie set I understand how disruptive it can be. It’s not a software dev job where you can do your job from 13 to 22 for all everyone cares.
I don’t have a solid argument one way or another, but I will chime in to say that as someone in a leadership position, 99% of the time someone complains about a late co-worker, it’s an older person annoyed with a younger person being late in a situation that doesn’t remotely affect them. They’re just annoyed that “young people have no work ethic.”
But I do see your point as well. Years ago, I worked in healthcare, and lateness could literally impact patient care, so that was completely different.
Most often though, I’ve seen people simply annoyed with the idea that other people are late.
I have no way of knowing the exact circumstances of Jodie Foster’s complaints. If people start work on the set by chatting and making small talk like they do in a lot of workplaces, then I can’t blame people for not showing up on time, but I have no idea what their actual workday looks like, so I’ll withhold judgment.
Sometimes, being the calm voice in the middle is much more valuable than having a “solid argument”. You sound like a very reasonable person that I wouldn’t mind having as a boss.
Thanks, I try. I feel like I succeed at this a lot more in real life than I do online. At least, I try to be understanding.
Also, the people I work with are excellent. It’s not that they’re complaining about each other constantly, though it is something that’s happened a few times, always about a co-worker being late or opting to work unconventional hours such as evenings and weekends. To me, these are non-issues. I feel like everybody does their best, and the work gets done.
Of course it depends, totally agree. I work in IT so I don’t care when my colleagues come and go, but certain professions this is not acceptable.
And I’m saying that probably doesn’t actually happen.
At worst I’m calling her a liar for exagerating what does happen. That’s not a strawman. Obviously, I don’t have the evidence for it- I’ve never worked for her. What I do know is that I have never had this issue. What I have had- as a manager, dealing with Gen Z- is people calling in sick while boomers complain about how “lazy” they are.
This, too, is not a straw man. This is an observation from my own experience. Maybe TV set Gen-Z are different. but I doubt it.
Is Jodie Foster a well-known liar? Seriously, I have no idea.
If not, you’re just being weirdly defensive of people you don’t know. Her anecdotes are as valid as yours, and since she probably works with more teams, they may have a bigger data source than your own.
I’ve had her experience and yours at different workplaces.
My workday is 7.30 to 16.00. My gen-z employee works 10.00 to 17.00. That’s not unprofessional, that’s work-life balance. And if you plan meetings with him at 9.30, you’re the unprofessional one.
It depends on the work being done and the workplace expectations. If there is a clear expectation that you will be at work at 0800 and someone shows up at 1030 for no reason, that’s not good. It may have resulted in a lot of people stuck waiting on that one person. I used to deal with both sides of this at a previous job. I’m not a morning person, not by any stretch of the imagination. I also worked with a lot of military types, which means that 0600 was sleeping in for them. They would regularly try to schedule meetings as early as 0700 and I had to push back on it. Thankfully, we had official “core hours” of 0900 to 1500. The expectation was that we would be available for meetings between those hours and did not need to be available outside those hours (so long as we worked our 8). This also meant that I needed to have my tired arse in the office and ready to go at 0900, as this was a very common time for meetings.
Just going by the given statement in the article, it seems that there was an expectation for the person to be in earlier and they called off without warning or a reason. Maybe they just did have one and didn’t want to give it. But, the given statement is “I’m not feeling it”. If there is an expectation that one is in earlier, and they just fob it off like that, that’s pretty unprofessional.
Yes, let’s make all 100 employees adjust their schedules for Bob who likes to sleep in.
It depends on what you do. If you work an assemblyline, obviously that’s not an option. If you work in an office, then it’s pretty normal not to schedule meetings when someone isn’t available, isn’t it?
I wouldn’t plan a meeting during someone’s morning stand-up, and I wouldn’t plan a meeting during their free evening. Why is it a problem when someone starts late? (Assuming they don’t just 90 minutes late)