• dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    This behavior is just beyond batshit. Before anyone decides tl;dr, the article is well worth a read.

    I had a hunch that Opera was circling the drain when I started seeing them sponsor Youtubers. A general rule of thumb is that no company that has anything worth a shit devolves to sponsoring Youtube videos. I had no idea about the predatory loans thing, or the crypto scam chasing thing, or the ripping off ChatGPT thing…

    Back here in reality, there is no reason anyone should be using any other browser than Firefox. There is one organization left in this arena still devoted to protecting privacy, maintaining open standards, and a fair and open web for all. And it ain’t Google, it ain’t Microsoft, and it ain’t Opera.

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      10 months ago

      And it’s always been Firefox since day one. Out of the ashes of Netscape Navigator rose Firefox and Mozilla have been one of the only bastions of the free and open web ever since. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would use another browser.

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          Actually it’s an effective cloud-based password manager that doesn’t rely on local storage or weird plugins or backups.

          That’s what keeps me using chrome. I could lose everything in a house fire, pick up any device, log in and have access to all my stuff without any further action on my part, right out of the box.

          That’s the only feature I care about, and chrome is the only browser I’ve seen that provides it.

          Get me that in firefox, and I’ll switch today.

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            10 months ago

            What are you talking about? Firefox has had literally Sync since before Chrome existed.

            Firefox Sync initial release: December 21, 2007

            Google Chrome intial release: September 2, 2008 (Beta), (1.0) December 11, 2008

            A full year, my guy.

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            I’m confused since Firefox Sync has been letting you sync/backup your passwords, bookmarks and history for a decade or two at this point, and you can even self-host the sync server.

            I don’t know the complete FF password manager details (Bitwarden user here) but where does Firefox fall short for you?

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            10 months ago

            You can lose your Google account in the blink of an eye with no recourse, no access to support or anything.

            With local and my own backups, I can choose to put them at any location, cloud or local.

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            10 months ago

            I have all that functionality today with FF… Not sure when you last checked, but if you create a Mozilla account and log in to FF you can sync all the same stuff as Chrome does.

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              10 months ago

              Checked it out: apparently I had a mozilla account at one point in time. Hit ‘forgot password’:

              Note: When you reset your password, you reset your account. You may lose some of your personal information (including history, bookmarks, and passwords). That’s because we encrypt your data with your password to protect your privacy.

              Forgot your password: fuck you.

              This is the exact fucking opposite of the behaviour I’d ever want from a password manager.

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                10 months ago

                I think that’s what most people want in a password manager. The only way to have a truly secure pw manager is to encrypt it and failsafe to delete. That way if your identity gets stolen or email compromised, it limits the damage.

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                  10 months ago

                  Said another way: if a company offering a password manager can recover all your passwords with you just clicking “forgot password”, that means they can read your passwords in plain text (and so can hackers if the company gets hacked).

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                Forgot your password: fuck you.

                This is the exact fucking opposite of the behaviour I’d ever want from a password manager.

                Wait wait wait wait, you’re telling me you want the people who hold your password to be able to view them without your explicit permission (entering a secret that unlocks your vault)? Because that’s what you’re asking for - if they can reset your password and provide you your plaintext passwords, that means they can 1) read your passwords if they chose to and 2) you can be phished and have your account stolen and passwords provided to some rando.

                The convenience offered by that “feature” is outweighed by the potential consequences of it existing. Passwords should absolutely be a Trust No One (TNO) solution.

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            10 months ago

            That’s great until Google finds that one picture of your child at the pool and immediately deletes your CSAM-harboring filthy account.

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        10 months ago

        Sadly chromium is often the only supported browser for a lot of web apps. Sometimes not even chromium but just chrome in particular. Chrome has basically inherited all the downsides of internet explorer of yesteryear except it doesn’t run like shit yet.

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          10 months ago

          I wonder if it’s really a lack of support and not just a user agent string check for lazy development.

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            10 months ago

            and google sabotaging shit so it only works on their platform.

            Like they did with youtube and Edge (before they finally gave in to googles terrorism and switched edge to chrome base)

            like they are doing with youtube and adblockers.

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        10 months ago

        I’ll say this. I use chrome and I KNOW I need to switch to Mozilla. It’s just such a pain to switch that I inevitably go back. Maybe this is the wake up call I need.

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        Cuz Firefox was for a long time just some shiiiiiiit. It was overloaded, blocky, seemed outdated etc., so ie wasn’t any worse. When chrome came, whooo.

        Now tho, I am simply still prejudiced against it. And I found Edge suits me ideally so I don’t care for any other browser. Until my adblock stops working, then I’ll run.

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          I also left Firefox for Chrome many years ago during that time period, but Firefox has been good again for quite some time. They did a big refresh called Quantum several years back and solved most of those issues. Give it a try.

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      I do not agree with your generalisation of YouTube sponsorships, but with the rest I absolutely agree with.

      Honestly, I read something about Opera being vaguely connected to shady Chinese companies right before I started recommending ppl to switch away from Opera or Opera GX. Glad I stuck to that, looks like my intuition did not fail me.

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        10 months ago

        You, uh, really feel that the likes of Raid: Shadow Legends, Nord VPN, Honey by PayPal, Raycons, and HelloFresh are really making a positive contribution to the world that we can’t do without?

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          I mean, what’s the problem with NordVPN? Pretty much every youtuber I respect who does sponsorship promotes it, and I’ve never heard anything bad about it. Generalizing like that is always bad (or well, mostly always, or ironically I would be generalizing).

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      there is no reason anyone should be using any other browser than Firefox.

      Yeah. And everybody should use the same brand of shoes, drive the same model of car, buy at the same store, eat the same food…

      God forbids people having different tastes, opinions and needs.

      There is one organization left in this arena still devoted to protecting privacy, maintaining open standards, and a fair and open web for all. And it ain’t Google, it ain’t Microsoft, and it ain’t Opera.

      Yeah, and it’s not Mozilla either.

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        Yeah, and it’s not Mozilla either.

        Which one do you think it is, then? Genuinely curious here. I don’t disagree with on most of what you said - I find the simping for Mozilla (and sneering towards chromium) here in Lemmy rather annoying. Mozilla and its browser both have shortcomings as well, and choosing a web browser these days is, as most things in life, choosing the lesser of evils vs. one’s own needs.

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          Which one do you think it is, then? Genuinely curious here.

          I simply don’t assume that an org/com actually exist which is concerned users’ privacy. Mozilla just follows the money, as any other corp.

          Protecting my privacy is a task I prefer to delegate to mybrain(.org).