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      And it’s a sad, sad day when the situation in xkcd 908 looks like an improvement over even one of the commercial offerings.

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    They’re outsourcing many of their workforce abroad. Like Microsoft, I expect more of these “isolated” accidents to happen.

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        Company tries to cut costs by outsourcing to another company with lowly paid employees in another country, often India or Pakistan, where the outsourced labour (that all too frequently hasn’t been properly trained in the company’s procedures) often doesn’t share the same first language leading to misunderstandings, made worse by the difference in office hours meaning the teams often can’t communicate with eachother in real time (the timezone factor is a big one IMO).

        It’s an issue affecting a lot of tech companies right now, including where I work (HPE). But I guess it must work out as being cheaper despite the issues, otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

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          Interesting point, I am not sure I fully agree.

          I work for a company with operations across the world. Education systems that lead to citizens who are deeply literal and have any shred of critical thinking stamped out of them are a real problem with communications.

          On the US side, I can and have adapted to communicate effectively with those colleagues, but it’s less about English being their third or fourth language, and more about our tendency to speak colloquially, and their tendency to not do so.

          To their credit, if my livelihood was tied to working in a second or third language, I probably would have trouble with non-literal communications in that language as well.

          Different systems, different work cultures, etc. make communication difficult.

          OTOH, we have no opportunity to get to know each other and/or bond over food. Ribs, and something spicy from them, and a bit of time to chat would go a long way to resolving some of those difficulties.

          Now that I think about it, I wonder how we can pull off an intercultural cooking exchange with those colleagues, without sounding like a giant racist when I post it on the internal social site. Seriously could build some bridges.

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    Better article:

    https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/09/unisuper_google_cloud_outage_caused/

    They restored from another cloud service. Were I in charge, I’d still be leery of not having that data on my own drives. I have my Windows libraries mapped to my ghetto RAID 0, and those folders are in turn backed to Google. If all else fails, I have a local backup. And this story reminds me, I haven’t installed VEEAM on this new PC…

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    Yeah, this has definitely happened before, we just don’t hear about it in the news. I am personally aware of a Canadian non-profit whose Google accounts were nuked with no notice or explanation last year, leading to massive disruptions for 150 staff and even more clients. They never found out why, and had to restore from backups onto a brand new Google business account

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      had to restore from backups onto a brand new Google business account

      Thus proving that they learned nothing from the experience.

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    Waiting for the news “Google deleted users account, now they lost access to their passkeys and with that to all other services” It can only be a matter of days until it happens.

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    Backup was on Azure. I get the sentiment on the cloud, but there is no excuse for this incompetence at Google.

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    “This should not have happened.”

    Duh, ya think?

    Google Sales Engineer: oh I see you didn’t purchase the “Do not randomly nuke my cloud” option… well there’s the problem.

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    But you can’t trust regular people to have open source ASI, but don’t worry, we won’t fuck it up.

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    I started out a field tech for an industrial firm. My industrial job killed my body. 110+ degrees in the factories, heavy chemicals back when safety was a joke, impossible hours and crawling thru hell on earth to trace a control problem.

    Decades later I ended up a CTO. The more I worked, the more I realized it was impossible. Everything was impossible. It could never be secure enough. I could never have enough faith in my vendors to sleep at night. Everything in every direction was terrifying, and we were good at it. You just couldn’t be good enough.

    I wished I had stayed a field rat. That CTO job broke my mind. Now I’m that nutjob that won’t let people use my WiFi, they go on the visitor walled off WiFi. My kids can’t install apps without permission. I check my home network logs and have alerts set up for everything imaginable.

    I read stories like this and it gives me PTSD.

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    This is a “one of a kind” error.

    OK, that it can happen at all is a problem. And sorry, but the idiots who put their data in with Google should be fired.

    I get offloading risk, little good will that do when your company goes tits up.

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      Where would you put their data then? Self hosting is not exactly safe either.

      At the end of the day, every approach has its tradeoffs. Using a reputable cloud provider is a very valid choice.

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        Thank you! Every time a story like this comes up, people seem to wanna pretend managing your own hardware is all sunshine and rainbows. Especially if you want global scale or as little down-time as possible, cloud provider’s your best bet, albeit one where you have less control than you would with your own servers.

        Opinion: You should be building on top of open source platforms and tools (Docker, Kubernetes if you need it…granted I’m not an expert in this area) to mitigate some of the vendor-lockin, and take a multi-cloud approach. If you’re mainly hosting on GCP for example, host smaller deployments on AWS, Azure, Cloudflare, or something else as a contingency…eventuality you can also add or just move to your own servers relatively painlessly. Also AGGRESSIVELY backup up your database in multiple places.