More than 45 million borrowers collectively owe approximately $1.6 trillion, according to the Biden administration, which tried to cancel up to $20,000 in student debt for tens of millions of eligible borrowers. The Supreme Court killed the program in June.
We all know this, but it’s important to know who to blame.
It’s fair to also blame Biden. He gave up the ability to further push back student loan payments for some concessions to keep the government open.
Wouldn’t that be blaming the republicans for making him give it up to keep the government open?
Biden didn’t have to cave, he chose to. He said this thing that I said was a top priority for my campaign isn’t a top priority for my administration. And politically he’s going to pay a penalty to the faction of his coalition to whom forgiveness was a top priority.
That’s what happens when you lie to gain support.
The Constitution says we pay our bills, so Biden could have told Congress to get fucked and figure it out. He’d rather keep a generation of indentured servants though, so here we are.
The constitution says nothing about paying bills. I think this example of ignorance is the reason why you are blaming Biden. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Biden cannot overrule a Supreme Court decision, and therefore telling them to get fucked would just be words.
The only people who want us to remain indentured are the Republicans, and the billionaires (usually the same thing).
Please do not go around telling lies.
But when enough liars agree with him, he feels right.
I bet they love to misquote the Bible too
“I love being misquoted, don’t ever forget that” John 7:11
Nothing?
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
What the fuck is that then?
This passage is from the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, specifically from Section 4. It addresses the issue of public debt, asserting that the debt of the United States government should be considered valid and unquestionable if it was authorized by law. This includes debts incurred for various governmental obligations, such as paying pensions and bounties related to services for suppressing insurrections or rebellions. This clause was primarily included in response to the debts incurred by the United States during the Civil War. It was meant to ensure that the debts the Union took on to finance its war efforts against the Confederacy would be honored, while simultaneously casting doubt on the legitimacy of the debts incurred by the Confederacy. Essentially, it was a guarantee that the United States would honor its financial obligations and a statement against the financial claims of the Confederacy.
So, I’m not sure how this has anything to do with student debt, as it doesn’t relate to citizens at all. Or is this one of those Republican things where you interpret text to mean whatever you want it to mean, thump thump.
It has nothing to do with student debt, it’s relevant to the Republicans trying to use not paying existing obligations as a negotiating tactic. The fact that you don’t get that demonstrates you have little to add to this discussion.
Hey look, another person doubling down on stupid.
No, no it doesn’t. Feel free to quote the part you think does and I’ll be happy to explain why you are wrong. But, the US Constitution says nothing of the sort.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
Your turn, explain how I’m wrong.
Edit: Where’d you go Sylver?
Agreeing that a debt exists and agreeing to pay back a debt are two different things. The budget doesn’t argue whether the debt exists, just how and when it will be payed back. It is the difference between “Yes, I owe you $100, you’ll get it back someday.”, and “Yes, I owe you $100, and I’ve budgeted to pay you $20 a week for the next 5 week until we’re square.”
The consitution guarantees the first part, but doesn’t help much with the second. However, without the second part everything grinds to a halt.
It’s more like
Yes, I owe you $100, and I’ve budgeted to pay you $20 a week for the next 5 week until we’re square, but I don’t like what you might do with that money so I’m closing up shop and going home, good luck with everything
They can’t do that but Biden let them
Yeah he randomly tried to cancel student debt just to fuck with you. Good lord.
We tried (not really, lol) so you have to vote for us again so we can try some more (lol, we won’t really).
-DNC
Let me know what the GOP or an independent did when you get a minute. Shouldn’t take long.
The other side being literal fucking Nazis doesn’t give the Dems a pass to keep a generation in perpetual wage slavery. Fuck off.
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The 20k would have forgiven roughly 400 bil in loans. When that was shot down, Bidens admin kept quietly forgiven 5bil here, 8 bil there, which has now risen to 136bil and counting.
It’s not the 400bil we hoped for, but 136bil forgiven is far, far more than any admin has ever done to relieve student loan debt.
That doesnt even take into account how they doubled the minimum income limits that affect how much you have to repay on an income based plan, given a complete and free exit out of default, retoractivly approved people who should have had them forgiven, on and on. They fixed so many bullshit aspects of repaying the debt and have gotten basically zero credit for it because its complicated and not sexy like “20k!”
Read the fuck up on what good they have done and i think you’ll be suprised.
Read the fuck up on what good they have done and i think you’ll be suprised.
I understand what they’ve done. But Biden didn’t promise to “do something.” He promised broad forgiveness. And it was clear that many Dems were going to hold him to it. He shouldn’t be surprised he’s not getting credit for half measures, especially when he had the power to keep student loans deferred.
Biden did not promise broad forgiveness on the campaign trail, he said he was open to it. He made no promise at all, much to the irritation of progressives. He stated that he agreed we should forgive 10k/person as suggested by several senators, but it wasn’t a campaign promise.
What his admin did was 100% pushed for broad forgiveness anyway, in the only way possible. Since he couldn’t get it with a new law due to the GOP in the house and senate, he used the executive power he was granted by an earlier law, but the GOP supreme court found a flimsy excuse to stop it. How is that Biden failing?
He did have the power to keep them deferred, but he had to give that up to prevent a ugly government shutdown. He made a concession, because in a divided government that is something you have to do to keep the government working. In basically every other regard he absolutely rolled McCarthy in that negotiation, preventing tons of fucked up thing the GOP wanted. It was a ugly choice, but the right one.
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Ah yes, the horse blinders approach. Focus on on one issue and pretend the rest of them around you don’t exist.
I mentioned this before, but if you’re running into issues with your student loan servicer (in the USA), you should submit a complaint here: https://studentaid.gov/feedback-center/. At a minimum, my experience was that submitting the complaint was quick and easy.
Some of these student loan companies are lying to borrowers, screwing up basic financial transactions, delaying payment processing, and generally operating in bad faith and in adversarial fashion. Making complaints may not do much of anything in the immediate sense, but in theory when enough complaints get recorded, eventually it will reach a point where it can’t be ignored (I know, you’ve got a bridge to sell me).
Plus, if it ever does come down to some kind of remedy being provided to affected borrowers, having an official complaint on file will probably help you with making a claim.
Having said that, it seems like the complaint system is overall pretty crumby. My complaint was sent directly over to the loan company’s customer service folks to handle, it wasn’t handled by anybody on the government side that I could tell. And no surprise, the loan company investigated itself and concluded that it had done nothing wrong. But don’t let that discourage you, it’s still worth it to report.
I wish I knew that three years ago. I had a Perkins loan with Heartland ECSI. At the beginning of COVID, they kept screwing up how much I owed them. I would log in a few days before payment should have been due, and it said I owed them $0. So I thought this loan was on the same thing my Stafford loans were on, where I owed no payment temporarily due to COVID.
I log in a few days later then it says I owe my normal payment + late fee and it says I am overdue. I call their customer service and I explain the situation. The lady seemed to not believe me. “No, it says you owe X amount. I would not have said 0.” Given that I caught this fast enough, if I paid it now it wouldn’t have affected my credit. I just paid the payment plus the small fee because I did not have the energy to fight due to dealing with the world’s crisis and my own added problems at home.
The next month, I see that it says I owe nothing again. Well, maybe they finally got the student loan pause stuff figured out. Nope, same thing. Not knowing if I was just going nuts, and factoring in my intense burnout, I just paid off the whole thing. Fortunately it was not much, but enough that my savings for a down payment was wiped out. I really could have used that money but for a finance company to just screw up so badly on a simple thing I just did not want anything to do with them any more.
It’s too late for that situation, but in the future take screenshots. They can serve as some proof of what you saw.
They could send me a bill but I have to keep relocating my box to prevent the cops from beating me up. Shouldn’t have went for that PhD 😔
