The Supreme Court on Tuesday passed up a chance to intervene in the debate over bathrooms for transgender students, rejecting an appeal from an Indiana public school district.
Federal appeals courts are divided over whether school policies enforcing restrictions on which bathrooms transgender students can use violate federal law or the Constitution.
In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom. The appeal came from the Metropolitan School District of Martinsville, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) southwest of Indianapolis.
Why would anyone care where people go the bathroom? Where do you think transsexuals have been going all these years? What nonsense.
Hey! I appreciate your support, trans rights are human rights!
In the future, could you please use transgender instead of transexual? The latter is a really dated term and ties a gender and societal issue to sexuality. While they may be closely associated, they’re not the same thing and any little bit helps break that association.
I’ve proven I can’t remember this kind of stuff, but I’ll try.
That’s how it’s done, people.
Good on you for working on it though!
You can also edit your comments, it would be preferred if you would change it so that you aren’t using what many of us consider a slur.
Would it not be better to leave it as is to teach others? Censoring serves no purpose here and it would prevent people from learning
You can edit in a cross out with two tildas ~ surrounding the word and put the correct word next to it if that’s your style. But it’s still somewhat akin to using the n word for some of us. It’s not our word to how we describe ourselves, what we transition for has nothing to do with sex mostly, we can be any sexuality. That old language centers everything on the fact that people see us as sexual fetishes. Transition is about gender, of which sex sometimes is not even a part of it. Asexuality exists too.
Not disagreeing about the use of the word, just erasing a teaching moment. Fair enough regarding the editing choice though
And yet it’s still the most upvoted comment, keeping a slur up that hurts many trans people, but sure the teaching moment is more important than being inaccurate and insulting, but keep patting yourself on the back.
Alternatively you can collapse the comment and you no longer have to see it.
While this is true, editing posts to avoid controversy is weird. They wrote what they wrote and noone can change that. Can’t unsay something, too. This also makes this conversation difficult to read for future passerbys.
Seconded, transgender is more accurate and how we describe ourselves.
I think this is goofy. More than half my life I’ve heard the word transexual and I certainly don’t think it’s offensive.
Because you are old. Also this is to help young people understand better. We will not convince the fossils.
Retard used to be the nice word back in the day. Language evolves and people suck. It can be difficult to accept both.
I prefer transexual if I’m honest though, Transgender feels flimsier. I’m not trying to transcend the idea of what gender you see, I’m trying to transcend the boundaries of biological sex
That is implicitly more powerful to me.
Yeah a transexual sounds more like someone who is sexually attracted to transgender people.
OkCupid has a definition that means someone who wants to align their gender to a biological sex through medical intervention.
They have a whole
fantasyconspiracy they’ve cooked up where we’re sneaking in to women’s restrooms to do human trafficking and dark web revenge porn and shit.And that’s the typical projection of the conservatives who revealed that they would do that if they had the ability.
If a trans man sneaks into the boys room, everybody in the room spontaneously turns gay.
If a trans woman sneaks into the girls room, it’s a lesbian orgy.
I don’t make the facts.
They don’t believe transexuals exist.
They don’t think we’ve been around for years.
I’m reading this super awesome book called “before we were trans” That kind of goes over the history of gender non-conformity and transgender identities. It’s fucking amazing
I don’t have anything to back it up but I think it’s a large group’s correlation between trans/gay == pedophilia. When I was a kid, my mom(southern baptist republican) didn’t differentiate between gay people and illegal sexual activity like molestation(this was in the 80s). If my mom had been told that a guy that viewed himself as a girl wanted to use the girl’s restroom, she would have immediately decided it was because he wanted to do something terrible to the girls.
I think the main reason for that is because her God told her gay people were going to hell… It made it easy for her to view them as evil.
Worse: they are expending huge amounts of tax dollars over the right to act in a discriminatory way.
Yeah, fuck your genitals, show me how big your dookies are! Who’s gonna help me start a petition to build a national weekly poopie scoreboard? USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Women don’t like going to the bathroom with men.
They tolerate it on campgrounds, but not places of business that they frequent often.
I’m a woman and I don’t care. I’ve been in the bathroom with men before and even had a nice conversation with them. Do I not exist? Who gave you the rights to speak on behalf of all women everywhere?
You keep saying this, but you don’t speak for all women. I am a woman who does not care one flying fuck if the other ladies in the restroom were born with a penis, a vagina, or some variation thereof. I care much more about whether they flush & wipe the seat.
I’m certain you’re not conflating trans with violent, right?? Or sticking up for people who do?
Absolutely, but the barrier is not coming from men who don’t want to share restrooms with women.
No, actually, as transfem the only time anyone ever confronted me about the bathroom I used was a man before I switched. Evidently I was freaking guys out at the urinals 😅
It’s not like we watch each other pee? It’s not the men’s room.
I think it’s more of a safety concern mixed with sexism.
I’ve come across women that flat-out say they are more afraid of men on average and try to avoid them if possible.
One in four women face sexual violence. I get it.
It sure would be nice if they’d stop to consider how women like me would feel to be forced to be surrounded by men in the men’s restroom.
I’m 100% a supporter of trans right to use the bathroom of their gender.
There is a reason that bathrooms are separated by gender.
So if you can’t understand why people who don’t believe trans people exist are upset that people are using the wrong restroom, you’re just like the people who can’t understand that trans people exist: it’s a lack of being able to see beyond your own self and understand the position of others. While I strongly disagree with them, their position is not very complicated and easy to understand.
I dont think there’s any need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people anymore. You might argue they believe LGBTQ people shouldn’t exist, and I might believe you, but I tend to think their main motivation is just stirring up anger and resentment against the “other side”.
If people were concerned about privacy or safety, the us would have single user bathrooms or at least stalls that didn’t have 1in gaps around the doors (my 90s high school didn’t have stall doors at all, and in some bathrooms didn’t even have stalls, just a toilet next to the sink in the locker room). The same people aren’t upset about those things, because they don’t actually care about any of this.
I dont think there’s any need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people anymore.
It’s troubling how often I come across the opinion now that one is free to believe the worst of anyone they want.
In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom.
So, meanwhile, transgender individuals win. At least that’s something. 👍🏻
With any luck, this will hold untill the rest of the nation follows suit.
Only in those circuits where the court has allowed students to use the bathroom of choice. There are several circuits that voted to deny this. Your rights now depend on where you live in the country until either the SCOTUS one days takes it up or some sort of Title IX changes force it.
With this court the country might be better off without them weighing in. Those fucks are likely to make it so the whole country has even more hostile laws.
Wouldn’t want to reveal any bigotry during an election year.
Have you ever seen an election year?
Revealing the bigotry is basically the point. Trump talked about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country and it made him more popular.
If he gets even more than 74 million votes this year, I’m going to shit a whole pallet of bricks
Pretty sure they don’t give a shit about revealing bigotry when ever they feel like it. In fact it’s a feature for the right
I wish there were more non-gendered restrooms.
The one’s I’ve been to usually has shared sinks and has stalls that fully enclosed, as in you can’t look under the stall. Most restrooms in the US, you can see under the stall in front and from an adjacent stall.
And the urinals is usually in a separate area of the restrooms.
This, these are the best bathrooms anyways. I’d rather not listen to someone on the phone with someone else while using the restroom, lol. Animals, man.
I think the reason we don’t have separate toilet rooms is because people would use them to shoot up and businesses don’t want that.
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If the lower courts are divided, isn’t it the job of the Supreme Court to make it clear?
They kinda have made it clear though. By rejecting the appeal, they’re saying that the 7th Circuit Court’s decision stands.
Except the
FourthEleventh Circuit went the other direction with an almost identical Florida school policy, so the question of “Is it ok under the US Constitution for schools to force transgender students to use a particular bathroom?” has a different answer depending on where you live, which is the exact kind of thing the Supreme Court is supposed to deal with.e; Whoops, had the wrong court and wrong case. That’s been updated now, but for the record here’s the older case I had been linking to
Yeah, well, SCOTUS hasn’t ever been real good at upholding the spirit of the 14th Amendment. I can reel off a long long list of things that SHOULD be the same no matter where you live but somehow aren’t.
This article you linked - it gives good reasons why a circuit split is not a problem here. I support trans rights - as I assume you do - but don’t think your point is as well-made as you thought.
Ah, that was the wrong article looking at an older court case, here’s the correct and more recent one,
Isn’t the Florida case in alignment with the Chicago one? The courts ruled for the transgender kid in both.
Turns out I linked the wrong Florida case, here’s the one I meant to post
Except that they aren’t overriding the other courts, so really they are saying that it’s up to every circuit to set their own standard.
They’re basically saying it’s grey when trying to apply the constitution to the issue, giving regions their own jurisdiction. It’s how it’s supposed to work, like it or not.
But circuit judges are appointed federally, by the president. They’re not voted on regionally, so they do not represent the will of the region they preside over.
Typically, yes. Now, not so much.
They’re saving all their energy for the upcoming craziness if/when Trump is elected President while in prison.
“Legal precedent would make it almost impossible for us to avoid standing up for a transgender person if we took this case and we couldn’t possibly have that.”
I thought they’ve made it clear that they don’t believe in precedent
I wonder why the Pope told them to take a pass for now.
Always think its odd they want someone like this or this in the women’s washroom…
Ultimately, what it boils down to is that they want to force trans people to de-transition, go back into the closet, and hopefully kill themselves. The pain and aggravation caused by these stupid bathroom laws is quite literally the point.
That’s a slippery slope.
Most of the women I see who have an opinion on this are afraid of men sharing their bathrooms. They have a legitimate fear of men that borders on and often crosses over into sexism.
Trans women aren’t men, and every time I see someone insist that their anecdotal reports of women terrified that the bathroom stall next to them might contain a trans woman, they invariably fail to cough up any actual statistics on it. Maybe you’ll be different.
In any event, this is someone born with a vagina:
Do you think that person should use the women’s restroom?
It’s like killing yourself because in physics they teach v=s/t instead of v=ds/dt. Cruelty. Clearly, v=s/t doesn’t work.
I really don’t get it. If you have a penis you would like to use a urinal. If you don’t you wouldn’t.
Stand to pee devices exist and are pretty common. Some people have prosthetic set-ups. Some folks have even had bottom surgery and can stand. Not to hard to use a urinal, although I’ve never used a men’s bathroom that didn’t have a stall in it.
The cruelty is that I am a man. I have about two inches of beard and a mat of chest hair that peeks through a t-shirt. I’m not out at work, I’m not out at restaurants, I’m not out really in any setting that doesn’t require me being nekkid. Requiring me to use the women’s bathroom because I don’t have a penis would require me to cause a massive scene - am I supposed to drop my pants to prove I’m in the “correct” restroom? My drivers license says male on it, do I need to carry around my birth certificate to use the bathroom?
Your physics example is extremely poorly formed. I’ve taught physics for years and have no idea what you’re trying to convey.
How is it possible that you have beard without men genitals?
I’ve been taking testosterone injections for roughly ten years. They are prescribed to me, I inject myself in the thigh once a week. I experienced male puberty. My voice cracked and dropped. I slowly developed stubble that developed into a terrible patchy beard, and with time the ability to grow a fairly decent one.
It’s entirely possible to have a beard without injections or testicles - conditions like PCOS can cause fluctuations in hormone levels. Some women are just naturally hairy, human bodies are complicated 🤷♂️
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upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom.
Why is it only focusing on 1 gender?
Probably because the lawsuit was filed on behalf of a transgender boy.
The case originally required John R. Wooden Middle School in Martinsville to allow a seventh-grader identified only as A.C. to have access to the restroom while litigation continued.
